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Most of the best episodes are about debates, social issues, and general talking.

MORE SPACE COURTROOMS, LESS SPACE LASERS

Star Trek, you are creating new episode,you must choose now. Will you pick :
- Cerebral talks about ethics and humanity and its potencial
- Or Schlocky sci fi BS that you execute poorly

absailing with harnesses happens

EPISODE ABOUT USING MASS DRIVERS TO SHOOT ASTEROIDS AT PLANETS WHEN

Okay chill out Cartagia

okay sorry.

edit:

FUCK THAT LET’S CRASH TWO BROWN DWARFS INTO EACH OTHER AND SEE IF IT MAKES NEW COLORS

Please, no! Asteroids are a finite natural resource!

It turns out the photon torpedoes’ onboard targeting systems are sentient, now what do we do?

do they want to blow up?

It’s about 50/50.

Good, so we still have half our photon torpedoes.

We will grant their wish in the glory of battle.

The rest can go to THE FARM

The series Expeditionary Force” by Craig Alanson actually plays on this.

Spoiler to protect those who might want to read the series.

spoiler

The AI Skippy, (that has befriended humanity/adopted us like puppies) upgrades the weapon systems on a captured ship. Joe Bishop, the captin of said ship, gets involved to deal with a strike by the onboard missiles. They are complete homicidal maniacs, and are actually fine with blowing up, they just want the pecking order/first dibs on targets sorted out, along with entertainment rights while waiting (karaoke night invites, from memory).

And no, after dealing with their bullshit, Joe has no issues turning the weapons into his enemies problems, very energeticly.

The Measure of a Man. A solid 50 minutes of mostly talking at desks. 💯

Hot green dancing girls have entered the chat…

Ok but what about MY feelings? As I have grown older I have atrophied into more conservative views in a way I don’t want to admit may be toxic and Star Trek is forcing me to grapple with that. I don’t think that is fair, I just wanted some light scifi entertainment fluff with no substance to it.

/s

As I have grown older I have atrophied into more conservative views in a way I don’t want to admit may be toxic

less that, more “my views have not changed though the overton window has and i don’t want to admit i’ve been living with and perpetuating toxic values”

Maybe you’d be better off with Babylon 5

/s

I loved that show. Maybe that’s why I ended up trans

You mean the only sci-fi franchise with even more talking than in ‘Star Trek’?

Least it keeps away from politics

Spoiler

It’s been a ride given the state of the government of a certain superpower right now.

Least it keeps away from politics

You continue making it difficult to believe that you actually saw ‘Babylon 5’.

To anyone who’s seen it, the spoiler definitely counts as a mild /s

Ah, it’s been many moons since I myself saw the series, and I didn’t really follow all the dealings in it, at that age. Need a thorough rewatch one of these days.

I would have thought my spoiler text would have been enough to not need a /s also

The 1969 episode “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield” is a good example.

And, like, every episode with Uhura, Sulu, or even Chekov in it.

Pfft, they were clearly not the same; the first was white and black and the other was black and white!

They could both run pretty good, though.

No stars upon thars!

I almost posted about this same exact book!!

Modern woke trek. No I’m not old it just came out…30 you say

edit: @ummthatguy wasn’t being pedantic, I dylexia’d the maths and edited from 20 to 30 about the same time they commented.

Try 31 years for this episode…

Aaand now I’m sad. And tired.

“I’ll protect you, fair maiden!”

“Sorry, neither.”

It’s like those guys who say one piece isn’t political. Are we even reading the same thing? I guess we all interact with media differently

Whenever someone says One Piece is political, I have to wonder what makes them say that.

Like. .. There are way too many reasons to pick from, I don’t know which one you’re thinking of.

The real question is why they stopped and what the fuck SNW Season 3 is supposed to be

They stopped because Star Trek is a tent pole series for Paramount online or whatever they are calling their streaming service now.

They need to broaden the appeal and old trek doesn’t speak to the lowest common denominator.

The lowest common denominator fuck up a lot of stuff.

There have been entertainment execs who championed the notion that the common viewer is smarter than they’re given credit for, and that deep down they want to be challenged. (I don’t have the sources in front of me, but think of Norman Lear and Jim Brooks, and so on.)

The LCD is certainly a concern, but I really think today’s entertainment industry has become too spineless, too cynical, and too dismissive of their customers’ intelligence.

Which one of you mf’s is ashamed to call themselves a Social Justice Warrior?

You mean the series, which showed an interracial kiss for the first time on tv? Not to mention TNG. Where a woman was the head of security. And the episode of the first series, where they had a society ruled by women.

Hey, it’s a The Good Place meme in the wild!

“Don’t worry, you’re in the Good Place.” - Rick Berman

Tap for spoiler

Easier to flip an actual demon than to rehabilitate Ricky B.

Actually the entire Star Trek universe is in the Bad Place. My evidence is Trevor is pretending to be one of the Defiant bridge crew:

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Don’t you besmirch ben’s ultimate treat yo’self like that.

Uh-oh, Batman’s crying

i used to live in a dorky society that said flip instead of fuck (the jello belt sucks) and i choose to interpret your comment in their dialect

Despite all the hate he faces from Lemmy Trekkies, Berman’s era generated the best Star Trek to date.

I don’t think anybody claims that he was bad at his job, but instead that he was a sexist predatory monster. (Or at least, if they say he was bad at his job, it was because he was a sexist predatory monster and mistreated actresses because of it.)

In spite of him. He was single-handedly responsible for a tremendous amount of *-washing and what progressiveness got included was done behind his back.

Yeah, and it was the one he had very little to do with bar being a massive sex pest

Lucille Ball helped get Star Trek going … it was ALWAYS meant to be forward thinking.

People have been dumbed down in those 50 years.

People are on high alert for “ideological content” sneaking into their entertainment. Especially Conservative Americans. They slept on the increasing representation of minority groups in fiction, and then all of a sudden, WHAM – a Black president. BAM – gay marriage! Now they’re so paranoid they won’t believe you when you tell them there’s a rainbow in the Bible.

I started watching Discovery and Strange New Worlds recently. Honestly while it seems they are at least not so blatantly sexist as they used to be, in other ways, it seems like the newer shows are less political than the old ones. It’s almost like a hybrid between classic Star Trek, and the Star-Wars-in-Star-Trek-Clothing movies that JJ Abrams made.

I like em though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, they’re very watered down by liberal ideology. It’s supposed to be gay space communism

Except that last season of SNW and its *shudders* eugenics. No idea what the fuck was up with that

I feel like it is a bit more nuanced. Yes TOS was forward leaning on race issues. But it was conservative in other areas such as pro-Vietnam War (as seen in the conclusion of “Private Little War") and anti-hippie (as seen in “Way to Eden"). Today’s Trek is much more liberal overall when you look at it taken as a whole IMHO.

I love how this meme glazes over the incredibly shit writing of NuTrek, or how the social presented in NuTrek are incredibly safe topics already popular on social media, instead of the some of the very controversial things that Trek has done in the past.

The most controversial thing NuTrek does is being hated by anyone who actually understands Trek, and attracting a lot of tourists.

I’m perfectly happy to ignore everything between Enterprise and SNW, except for Lower Decks. (Is there an official TLA for that?)

LD or LDS.

LDS is what we all did too much of in the ‘60s.

Three-letter acronym? No, I think people just use “LD”

When did it become so dog shit at tackling social issues?

  1. 2009 is the answer. Its been dog shit ever since.

Do you hear that whisper in the wind?

watch the orville

Hell there’s been three explicitly trek homage storylines where it’s blown TNG out of the water

(TNG eps Outcast, hollow pursuits and in theory)

Old Trek covered social justice issues by putting people who were being marginalized in our society in powerful roles, then having them do their fucking jobs, and do them well.

New Trek covers social justice issues by having bridge crew members sitting around crying about childhood issues from 20 years ago while the universe is actively being destroyed, and instead of being kicked off of the bridge so they can get their shit together, the rest of the bridge crew sits around and comforts them while some no-name ensign silently saves the day in the background. Or some member of the bridge crew, completely unfocused and not paying attention to the problem at all, accidents their way into saving humanity.

These are not the same.

Most of that rant is about Discovery. I hate Discovery. SNW is much better when it comes to this.

It’s all about the Overton window.

While Star Trek TOS was far outside the Overton window for its time, it’s now decades later and multiple generations of people got to know it during a period when its content was entirely within the Overton window for their current time.

These people are still wrong to complain, I’m just pointing out how they get confused: they grow up never seeing old Trek challenge the current Overton window limits, and then a new Trek show comes out that DOES, and they think it’s “suddenly” political.

There is a Dax joke someone could make here.

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